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08/12/2018 4:19:13 PM
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What will be the top of class 3, class 2 & class 1 for 2018?
What will be the top of class 3, class 2 & class 1 for 2018?
08/12/2018 7:25:31 PM
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@oharakcxc MSHSAA isn't releasing any of that until Friday.
@oharakcxc MSHSAA isn't releasing any of that until Friday.
08/13/2018 11:09:40 AM
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Sooo who's idea was it to make class 4 even bigger with 104 schools? That means a team with 960 kids will be competing against a school with 2800 kids. School numbers make it a lot harder to compete in XC than even track. Yet we have 5 classes in track and yes I know we have more track teams than XC teams. But, simply put the bigger schools are heavily weighted toward larger schools. Each district will have 13 teams.
Sooo who's idea was it to make class 4 even bigger with 104 schools? That means a team with 960 kids will be competing against a school with 2800 kids. School numbers make it a lot harder to compete in XC than even track. Yet we have 5 classes in track and yes I know we have more track teams than XC teams. But, simply put the bigger schools are heavily weighted toward larger schools. Each district will have 13 teams.
08/13/2018 12:21:09 PM
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That was done indirectly by the CC advisory committee in 1998. When the number of participating schools went over 256, CC was split into 4 classes with an equal number of schools per class. I don't think people anticipated the growth that happened in the sport in the next 20 years. In 2015, the committee came up with an option to ease the numbers at the top but it was tabled.
That was done indirectly by the CC advisory committee in 1998. When the number of participating schools went over 256, CC was split into 4 classes with an equal number of schools per class. I don't think people anticipated the growth that happened in the sport in the next 20 years.
In 2015, the committee came up with an option to ease the numbers at the top but it was tabled.
08/16/2018 6:42:40 PM
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I understand why they wait till the 17 but keep everyone on pins and needles isn't fun at all.
I understand why they wait till the 17 but keep everyone on pins and needles isn't fun at all.
08/16/2018 9:21:11 PM
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I read on MoSports that the football enrollments and classes were accidentally released on MSHSAA's website a couple of week's ago. They were taken down quickly though.
I read on MoSports that the football enrollments and classes were accidentally released on MSHSAA's website a couple of week's ago. They were taken down quickly though.
08/17/2018 11:43:54 AM
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As forecasted, 104 schools per class per the gender with most programs. Here is a breakdown so far. In Class 1, there are 6 new/returning programs: Bismark, Bunker, Billings, Macks Creek, Polo, Schuyler Co. 8 schools moved down from Class 2.: Crane, Purdy, Sparta, Stoutland, Vienna, Crest Ridge, Russellville and North Platte. 2 Schools dropped from last year: Sheldon and Calhoun. In addition, Community and Norborne dropped boys while MSD, Eminence, Lutie, dropped girls. In Class 2, there are 5 new returning programs: Transportation & Law, Clearwater, Thayer, Kaufman and Higginsville. 8 schools moved up from Class 1: Chaffee, Valle, Van-Far, Calvary Lutheran, New Haven, Laquey, Spokane, summit Prep, and Stover. 3 moved down from Class 3: Duchesne, Cuba and Mountain Grove. Sumner dropped. In Class 3, there are 3 new/returning programs: Fredericktown, Mt. Vernon (boys only) and Quadalupe which is the renamed Alta Vista. 7 schools moved up from Class 2: Hancock, Willow Springs, Cardinal Ritter, California, Centralia, Forsyth and Lawson. No drops from Class 4. Besides Alta Vista, Lift for Life dropped. In Class 4, no new programs. 4 schools moved from Class 3: Warrenton, Carl Junction, Warrensburg and KC East. Riverview Gardens dropped. 414 boys programs, 416 girls programs and 431 total schools with a program. 13 New schools and 4 dropped. Still growing in number of schools and bodies.
As forecasted, 104 schools per class per the gender with most programs.
Here is a breakdown so far.
In Class 1, there are 6 new/returning programs: Bismark, Bunker, Billings, Macks Creek, Polo, Schuyler Co.
8 schools moved down from Class 2.: Crane, Purdy, Sparta, Stoutland, Vienna, Crest Ridge, Russellville and North Platte.
2 Schools dropped from last year: Sheldon and Calhoun.
In addition, Community and Norborne dropped boys while MSD, Eminence, Lutie, dropped girls.
In Class 2, there are 5 new returning programs: Transportation & Law, Clearwater, Thayer, Kaufman and Higginsville.
8 schools moved up from Class 1: Chaffee, Valle, Van-Far, Calvary Lutheran, New Haven, Laquey, Spokane, summit Prep, and Stover.
3 moved down from Class 3: Duchesne, Cuba and Mountain Grove.
Sumner dropped.
In Class 3, there are 3 new/returning programs: Fredericktown, Mt. Vernon (boys only) and Quadalupe which is the renamed Alta Vista.
7 schools moved up from Class 2: Hancock, Willow Springs, Cardinal Ritter, California, Centralia, Forsyth and Lawson.
No drops from Class 4.
Besides Alta Vista, Lift for Life dropped.
In Class 4, no new programs.
4 schools moved from Class 3: Warrenton, Carl Junction, Warrensburg and KC East.
Riverview Gardens dropped.
414 boys programs, 416 girls programs and 431 total schools with a program. 13 New schools and 4 dropped. Still growing in number of schools and bodies.
08/17/2018 1:16:18 PM
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@Hays Ever hear why it was tabled?
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Ever hear why it was tabled?
08/17/2018 1:31:36 PM
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I just don't understand why the enrollments are so low for Class 1 and 2. We only had 384 students in our entire high school when the figures were taken in the spring...and we're a class 3 school. We are Class 2 in all the other fall sports. 384 against schools nearly 1000 students is a huge discrepancy. Just not right.
I just don't understand why the enrollments are so low for Class 1 and 2. We only had 384 students in our entire high school when the figures were taken in the spring...and we're a class 3 school. We are Class 2 in all the other fall sports. 384 against schools nearly 1000 students is a huge discrepancy. Just not right.
08/17/2018 1:55:09 PM
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@chester1976 At least you aren't the school with 344. I think the real question here is -- why does football have 6 classes and only 32 schools in the top class? Only 42 schools in class 5 too. Why are they not divided evenly in football? [url=https://www.mshsaa.org/CMSPages/ActivityEnrollmentBreaks20182019.aspx]https://www.mshsaa.org/CMSPages/ActivityEnrollmentBreaks20182019.aspx[/url]
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At least you aren't the school with 344.

I think the real question here is -- why does football have 6 classes and only 32 schools in the top class? Only 42 schools in class 5 too. Why are they not divided evenly in football?

https://www.mshsaa.org/CMSPages/ActivityEnrollmentBreaks20182019.aspx
08/17/2018 1:57:02 PM
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Also looks to me like soccer should only have 3 classes.
Also looks to me like soccer should only have 3 classes.
08/17/2018 2:06:57 PM
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@palmtree We are 305 for the 9-11 students. The very smallest school in Class 3. St. Michael's is 303 for 9-11 students. They are in Class 2.
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We are 305 for the 9-11 students. The very smallest school in Class 3. St. Michael's is 303 for 9-11 students. They are in Class 2.
08/17/2018 2:11:53 PM
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[quote=chester1976]@palmtree We are 305 for the 9-11 students. The very smallest school in Class 3. St. Michael's is 303 for 9-11 students. They are in Class 2.[/quote] LOL. I was looking at the softball numbers. Smallest is certainly a bummer.
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We are 305 for the 9-11 students. The very smallest school in Class 3. St. Michael's is 303 for 9-11 students. They are in Class 2.


LOL. I was looking at the softball numbers. Smallest is certainly a bummer.
08/17/2018 2:22:34 PM
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Class 3 has become nutty. If isn't clear that it's time for a revision of the by-laws, I'm not sure what it would take. I really feel for those tiny class three schools.
Class 3 has become nutty. If isn't clear that it's time for a revision of the by-laws, I'm not sure what it would take. I really feel for those tiny class three schools.
08/17/2018 3:06:19 PM
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@jstone MSHSAA was in the process of creating an Ad Hoc Committee to look at classification in all sports. Changes will be coming but I do not have a clue what. I sent one of those Ad Hoc committee members on classifications numbers back to the creation of MSHSAA in 1926 and why they were done that way, but I have not a clue what will be done for the future. I edited the post above to reflect what I found in Class 3 & 4 in addition to Class 1 & 2.
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MSHSAA was in the process of creating an Ad Hoc Committee to look at classification in all sports. Changes will be coming but I do not have a clue what. I sent one of those Ad Hoc committee members on classifications numbers back to the creation of MSHSAA in 1926 and why they were done that way, but I have not a clue what will be done for the future.
I edited the post above to reflect what I found in Class 3 & 4 in addition to Class 1 & 2.
08/17/2018 3:15:27 PM
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A class 6 football team only needs to be better than 31 other teams to be state champions? Sorry to complain about this -- it's just that I've never seen the numbers before. I always just assumed that there were 6 classes in football because there were many more schools with a football team. Ends up there are significantly fewer football teams than cross country. What's up?
A class 6 football team only needs to be better than 31 other teams to be state champions? Sorry to complain about this -- it's just that I've never seen the numbers before. I always just assumed that there were 6 classes in football because there were many more schools with a football team. Ends up there are significantly fewer football teams than cross country. What's up?
08/17/2018 3:34:39 PM
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Under MSHSAA By-Law 5.1.4 Starts on page 109), if between 257 and 513 schools, then the sport has 4 classes. Only exceptions to that Board Policy are by the Board or by petition. Football is under Board Policy 5.1.7. Track, baseball and wrestling were changed through petition – TF is 5.1.7. Not sure how football and some other sports were changed. Board Policy 11 (On page 104 of the handbook) determines how classes are structured in each sport.
Under MSHSAA By-Law 5.1.4 Starts on page 109), if between 257 and 513 schools, then the sport has 4 classes. Only exceptions to that Board Policy are by the Board or by petition. Football is under Board Policy 5.1.7. Track, baseball and wrestling were changed through petition -- TF is 5.1.7. Not sure how football and some other sports were changed.
Board Policy 11 (On page 104 of the handbook) determines how classes are structured in each sport.
08/17/2018 6:40:46 PM
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@Hays time for 5 classes in XC because class 4 is even bigger than ever too. Imagine being a school with than a thousand going against a school with 2800.
@Hays time for 5 classes in XC because class 4 is even bigger than ever too. Imagine being a school with than a thousand going against a school with 2800.
08/17/2018 6:54:21 PM
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@bantazmo I agree 100%. And based on my projection of the future, the gap will get wider and worse.
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I agree 100%. And based on my projection of the future, the gap will get wider and worse.
08/17/2018 6:55:57 PM
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Does anyone know what was the highest enrollment in class 1, 2 and 3. Where the cut offs happen? Last year 192 was the largest class 1.
Does anyone know what was the highest enrollment in class 1, 2 and 3. Where the cut offs happen? Last year 192 was the largest class 1.

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